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DJ S.O.S.
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I was reading Richdoggs post, and it got me thinking, so I decided to reply to part of what he said, the part about Ol' Schoolers being different than current hip-hop hedz;


      First off, I think the main difference is that modern day "rap" is not hip-hop at all, but rather a media created/sustained "product", which is forced upon our youth.


       What I mean is, hip-hop- WAS a culture. I remember when hip-hop was like punk rock-If you liked it, I mean REALLY liked it, then you were sort of an outcast. As B-Boys, we dressed, talked and lived differently than other people. We were the clowns that would disrupt a party by forcing the dj to play "it's just begun", and then breaking, taking up the whole dancefloor . We were the jerks that blasted hip-hop nonstop from our boom boxes-No matter what.


       I remember when we really thought that somehow, scratching, rapping and breaking was gonna make some kinda change, some kinda difference. I remember the closing ceremonies of the '84 olympics, with Lionel Ritchie singing 'All night long', and the brakers coming out..Tears actually came to my eyes, because we had finally "made it" Remember "breakin-There's no stoppin' us"? That was an actuall feeling at the time, that Hip-Hop couldn/t be stopped, that it would show the world how to live: 1. Always be fresh 2. Never bite 3. try not to diss anybody 4. When dissed, reply in a positive, creative way


     I guess all generations go through that (Remember in the 60's when hippies were gonna change the world?)


     So, what's the difference between todays "rap" and old school "hip-hop"?


     First, the music dosen't say or mean anything....I mean, how many songs can possibly written about 1. money 2. jewlery 3.drug sales 4. violence ?


     I can't believe that kids wanna plunk down 15-20 bucks to hear somebody lie about all of the money they have, all of the drugs that they sell, how many different ways that they will kill you, etc.


    Secondly, EVERY SONG SOUNDS THE SAME. I mean, the first time I heard some "durty Suoth" flava, it was kinda fresh, but does EVERYBODY have to do it? The same goes for other "styles"... To put it into old school perspective-What if everybody back in the day had tried to sound like Bone Thugs ? Or better yet, Vannilla Ice? Yep, these days, if Vannilla Ice sold the same number of records that he did before, EVERYBODY would start sounding like him....


   Third-Will sombody stop all of these "guest appearences"? Dude, if you don't have enough material to make an album, then go write some....Also, while I'm on the subject of guest appearences, is it just me, or does anybody else hate it when someone drops a hot verse on someone elses album, so when they drop thier own album, you cop it, only to find out that they suck? (Yeah da brat, I'm talking about you)


   And lastly (for now) I am sick of producer-driven albums. You know what I mean-When the whole album sounds like the producer, and not the artist....


    'til next time, PEACE


 


 


 


 



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Ha ha S.O.S., heres a short story for ya......


while most new schoolers want to be "Big Pimpin"


they don't know how to "treat'em like a lady"


and the night after the show


they always have to "Go see the doctor"


KRS already told them the "p is free"


but they always end up living the "childrens story"


they go to sleep at night wondering "How I could just kill a man"


but when they go to jail they become "State Property"


when they see their cell mate they start saying "Hail Mary"(s)


and when they wake up in the morning they're


"The sweetest thing they've ever known"


when they get out, they wanna act all


"Fresh, wild, fly and bold"....


but we all know they are really "Trapped in the closet"


wanting some man to "Pull up to the bumper"


while most women still don't get "The message"


they get fooled alot, and don't know those men


will always "return to the boom bap"


some "Mc's act like they don't know"


but they too may want some of that "Jazzy Sensation"


and the only music to listen to would be hip hop


"If I ruled the world"....... damn I should write hip hop greeting cardszzz......... Smooov



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Ok, S.O.S, ya Man is back too, and i just got through reading the two posts that you and smoov layed out.. I think you answered your own question when you went to NYC to the concert.. Hip Hop has become Commericalized which makes it a sellout. Like you said Hip-hop back in the day was a culture and today it's a show. Everything's done in a microwave minute and taste and sounds like it's just been nuked. the creativity is LONG GONE. when sampling and looping hit the scene, it took the place of doing your own work and coming up with your own style.. That's the difference with today's so call version of Hip-hop, It lacks individual style. When one person gets it, EVERYBODY has to get it. the only thing that was like that back when I did my thing was the cassette tape that i dubbed from a party. But that ws part of the culture. There's NO CULTURE today, so the new schoolers are left to struggle to find one, and too often that means jumping on the band wagon of some so call Baller" which only makes it worse.. Why can't we bring back two turntables and a microphone, and show these I-POD kids how it's really done..ANYBODY can hit rewind and loop and even que it up when you're looking at the digital readout to tell you where the que is, but take away the numbers and rewind and what can you do? Like we did when we were a diamond in the back, sunroof top, diggin the scene in our gangsta lean, we wait til the whole 8 track finished and your favorite song came back on...or you learn how to spin that thing back with your hands...Oldschool is chuckie and chuckie is oldschool.. I can't live without my radio!!

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Chuckii, I agree with everything you've said except for one point:


when sampling and looping hit the scene, it took the place of doing your own work and coming up with your own style..


If you take a look at it, hip-hop has always been based on sampling in one way or another. Let's remember what all the old schooler's were rhyming over when they performed live - breakbeats/music from records. Then, when they decided to finally press hip-hop on wax, a good deal of the music provided by the in-house bands was nothing more than interpolations of other groups' music. As far as the SP12's and MPC60's coming in to play, I think that's when hip-hop was at it's best. Take an engineer/producer like Paul C - he's one of the pioneers of chopping beats. I've read where dude would actually take a kick from one record, a snare from another, a high hat from yet another and sit there all night until they were each EQ'ed perfectly to a point that you can't tell you're listening to 3 different samples intertwined. If that's not hard work, I'm not sure what is. Even though there was sampling, you still had that dirty, grimy feel in the music. To me, the sample laws came along and killed everything - leaving us with the synthetic, sound-module, cold-feeling beats that force us to keep our radios in the 'off' position...


Whatever happened to back in the day when you would have an artist's almost entire LP on various 12" singles long before the LP even dropped (think Doug's 'Oh My God' LP)...hell, if there even WAS an LP. Nowadays, you hear a new single and 3 days later, that person has a whole album - excuse me, 'CD' - on the shelves.



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I agree. It's simply too "easy" to throw together a beat these days....You can use a mediocre computer,(like my old E machine, pentium 3, running windows me) and a program like acid (there are others, but acid is by far the easiest) a sample cd or too (like acid loops) and, just like magic, make a beat! Trust me, I've sold enough beats this way to KNOW how easy it is. The sad thing , though, is the more you use these loops, the more you begin to hear them on the radio, and on tv. I remember watching a commercial, and they used an acid loop straight off of the cd! i mean, they didn't add anything to it, they just played it....


I don't have time today, but stay tuned for essay's on old-schoolism, pt. 2.............



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Sad man, Soo Soo Sad.. Say it ain't so..acid?????? Not you man....

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